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Cummins 4BT in a Cruiser,
Discussion
Created Dec 25th, 2002
From discussion from the
DTLC
>> I have a 1988 4BT, 105
HP rated Cummins. It has a 3" exhaust... stock.
>
>> Peter Straub
>
>Hey Peter, I'd love to
see how it got installed. The 4BT seems to be
>the perfect replacement
for the 3B (space, performance and power wise).
>
>Care to tell us more about
it? Performance? Fuel economy?
>Installation problems?
How long have you had it? Where did it come
>from? How much did it cost?
...
I've researched this engine
for a swap for some time. The engine he has if it has 105hp as claimed
probably has the popular rotary VE pump. About 107hp and about 275
ft/lbs of torque. Most likely with the SM465 tranny that comes with
it, you are going to experience some firewall issues unless you use a longer
transmission / bellhousing like a NV4500 because the exhaust dumps
out about an inch from the firewall, or at least that's the case with a
FJ55. The 4BT / 465 I've seen in a 55 required the exhaust to come
through the footwell though you could move the entire assembly forward
and put a new hole in the floor above the transmission. My speculation
on this is because a 6BT and NV4500 fits into a 60 fine with no firewall
issues, and from drwaings I've seen it looks like their exhaust exits in
the same location. The 205 t-case that will come with it (along with
the 465 4 speed) is very robust but will require a centered rear unless
you mate your split case to the 465 a!
nd an adapter I believe
is around $500 from Adavance Adapters. Engine wise, they are loud
and rattly, much more so than even a 6BT found in Dodge trucks with relatively
sluggish excelleration, possibly worse than a 3B or 2H. The noise can be
kept down by keeping fuel input at stock levels and virbation can be counteracted
with fierce engine mounts (recommended at all costs) and a heavy duty vibration
dampener. I believe they don't use glow plugs and instead use an
ether system like a Unimog. I have a 4BT factory manual and it makes
no reference to glow plugs just ether though some could have glow plugs??
They are also direct injected and probably with no mechanical parts changes
could easily reach in excess of 130 HP and 300 ft/lbs of torque which I
think would be awesome. In a 60 there will also probably be plenty
of room for an intercooler which will also help. Most rotary pump
designs are governed at about 2500 RPMs so to have highway capabilities
you are going to n!
eed a 5 speed. Even
so the engine will not be comfortable much above 2500 RPMs. So you
will need a 5 speed, faster axle gearing, larger tires, or a combination
of the three. I think a H55F would hold up fine if you kept the power
down, use a standard Chevy V8 SAE #3 bellhousing adapter for your transmission
and you will be OK though you may still experience firewall issues.
Because it is much deeper you will need at least healthy 2-3" suspension
lift otherwise the bottom of the engine will hit the axle, I would recommend
a spring over axle conversion. It also sounds like this engine is
not in a Cruiser yet Peter? If it is I'd love to hear details of
it. I heard rumors of a guy at Cruise Moab who had one in a 60 but I never
saw it. If so I would love to hear details and I would love to see
pictures too.
Andre
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